The next is a transcript of an interview with former New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu that aired on “Face the Nation” on June 11, 2023.
JOHN DICKERSON: We flip now to the primary of two Republican governors becoming a member of us in the present day, New Hampshire’s Chris Sununu, who introduced final week that he wouldn’t be a candidate for President. Welcome, Governor, thanks for being with us. You’ve got taken a have a look at the indictment. Do you assume that the present entrance runner of the Republican nomination ought to be given the accountability to deal with probably the most delicate nationwide safety paperwork, once more? With re-election?
GOVERNOR CHRIS SUNUNU: Nicely, I suppose we’re gonna discover out. Yeah, I imply, look, if- if half of what they are saying they will show is provable, then he is received an actual downside on our arms. And it is self-inflicted. Let’s do not forget that this was- he had each probability on the earth handy all these recordsdata and paperwork again. He did simply the other. He bragged about holding him. So that is very self-inflicted. I imply, I suppose we’ll discover out of the 37 or no matter costs there are, what number of he is probably discovered responsible on, so we’ll- we’ll see the place it goes, and what’s disqualifying and never. However I feel , that final section you had was- was actually telling. It is simply one other instance, that he might win the nomination, however can’t, mathematically can’t, win in November of 24, which is why the Republican Celebration must look to a different candidate, they usually’ve received plenty of nice choices earlier than them.
JOHN DICKERSON: This appears to supply a possibility for them to not look to a different candidate, as a result of they’re rallying round him. I wish to learn you something- from the Nationwide Overview, which wrote about this indictment, “It’s unattainable to learn the indictment in opposition to Trump within the Mar-a-Lago doc case and never be appalled by it. The way in which he dealt with categorized paperwork as an ex-president and responded to the try by federal authorities to reclaim them.” You appear to share that view, however many- the bulk in your occasion and the vast majority of public officers, have precisely the other view.
SUNUNU: Yeah, so that is the issue that the Division of Justice has, and- and whether or not you wish to agree with it or not, does not matter. The truth is lots of people are that sort of cloud that sits over the DOJ, and says there was slightly an excessive amount of politics in that division over the previous couple of years, there’s been plenty of allegations of political dealing with. So that they have the accountability to say, look, that is totally different. That is far more extreme. And I feel they’ve to do this.
JOHN DICKERSON: Let me ask you this, Governor. However-first of all, the Division of Justice is investigating the sitting president, there is a particular counsel. So the same- identical commonplace is utilized to him. And is not- is not it not the Division of Justice that is making use of a distinct commonplace, however the politicians who’re the identical ones, in some circumstances, Kevin McCarthy and others, who’re making use of a regular to Donald Trump that they didn’t apply to others? Most, , Hillary Clinton being the first one.
SUNUNU: Yeah, however you may’t equivo- yeah, if I’ll, you may’t equivocate the 2. Proper. So you have got shut on- on the under- you may’t equate the 2 sorry, however look, these are politicians, they’re- they’re on the Republican aspect, for probably the most half, they will defend a political place. The DOJ has a accountability to be above all of it, and ought to be, and traditionally has been, however just lately has not been. And so the typical American watches this. You and I are within the weeds, proper? We’re speaking about this problem on a regular basis, over the past 48 hours. The common American is this factor for 90 seconds. And so they’re saying, wait a minute, they discovered recordsdata over there. They discovered a server in Clinton’s bathtub over there. They discovered recordsdata over right here. What is the distinction?–
SUNUNU: And there’s a very massive distinction.
JOHN DICKERSON: What is the distinction? Proper
SUNUNU: There’s an enormous distinction. But it surely must be defined to the American folks.
JOHN DICKERSON: However I imply, Governor, that is like saying New York and New Hampshire are the identical as a result of they’ve the phrase new of their titles. I imply, there are nice variations by way of obstruction of justice in the- within the circumstances of, say, President Biden, and the case of President- former President Trump. So –
SUNUNU: Let me ask you this –
JOHN DICKERSON: However we’ll run out of time, sadly. So maintain on, we’re gonna get you on the opposite aspect of that, that half hour and we’ll come again to this. We will take a break. Keep proper there. We have got extra after we come again to “Face The Nation.”
JOHN DICKERSON: Welcome again to “Face The Nation.” We return now to the Republican governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu. Governor, we had been speaking concerning the uniform software of requirements, whether or not it is by politicians, or the Division of Justice. The previous Lawyer Common, Invoice Barr weighed in on this query on Fox Information. When he was requested about whether or not that is politically motivated, he stated, I defended the president on Russia gate. I stood up and known as out Alvin Bragg, that is the Manhattan district legal professional, politicizing the hit job. And I’ve spoken out for 30 years concerning the abuse of legal justice course of to affect politics. However that is merely not true. So you have got the previous Lawyer Common saying that these costs of weaponization should not true. I ponder what you assume a accountable politician trying on the proof earlier than us ought to say concerning the Division of Justice, and whether or not there’s any hazard in saying weaponization when you have got a former Lawyer Common saying, no, that is on the extent?
SUNUNU: No, I- I feel that is an excellent level. I feel Invoice Barr is totally proper. I- I do not see this as being political. However you- However once more, the purpose I preserve going again to is, the- the typical individual may- should still assume it is political, and lots of people clearly do. And so if you are going to take unprecedented steps like this, as legitimate as they’re, as legitimate as they’re, then they should, once more, acknowledge the accountability of displaying all sides of it, displaying the way it’s not political, not simply saying, Don’t be concerned, it isn’t political. They’ve executed that earlier than, and it- it did not work out so properly. So that they have the accountability of displaying the way it is not political, to provide that calm, to provide that confidence and that belief within the system. So when this goes ahead, and if and when he’s discovered responsible, there’s belief that it was executed the best manner,
JOHN DICKERSON: As a politician of fine religion, what’s one’s accountability when surveying this? Once you- when , it isn’t a weaponiz- when , there isn’t any proof of weaponization? What do you have to say to the general public, the general public might really feel one factor, but when the information of the case counsel extra complexity and grey areas, what does a politician of fine religion say to the general public?
SUNUNU: Yeah, properly, look, I- I am- I am an enormous believer, everybody must be very simple and clear about it and acknowledge the realities of the severity of those accusations. And- and these allegations, and the truth that they once more, they’re very actual, they’re self-inflicted, that is nothing like we have ever- something we have seen earlier than. And- and there is very seemingly, I feel, going to- going to return right down to some kind of responsible verdict on- on the President, not less than on a few of these costs. And so once more, all of us have that accountability. Now, who takes that? Who needs to play political video games? That is I- I suppose, everybody, sadly, , will- will have a tendency to do this on each side of the aisle, by the way in which, you simply should acknowledge each side of this. You actually do.
JOHN DICKERSON: And let me transfer on to the state of New Hampshire, the primary main. Does this- you wish to change the dialog away from Donald Trump and to get another candidates, and maybe get one other nominee. Does this focus within the rallying across the former President Trump make that more- tougher?
SUNUNU: It makes it tougher. However look, my- my message to all of the candidates may be very clear. You higher come out, simply as you- you acknowledge, you need to come out and ack- they usually have to return out and acknowledge that is totally different. That is severe. Even- if even half of these things is true, he is in actual bother. And it’s self-inflicted. And I simply see too lots of the candidates attempting to stroll round it, we’ll see what occurs. To your level, you need to be clear and clear. You are operating in opposition to this man. He is whooping you by 40 factors. All people wants to return out in live performance. So it isn’t simply Chris Christie hitting Donald Trump, or this candidate hitting Donald Trump. It’s a occasion message. That is very, essential. As a result of Donald Trump does not characterize the Republican Celebration. He does not rep- he solely represents himself. And so that- that’s proven when all of the candidates come out equally and unequivocally speaking about this problem in the best manner.
JOHN DICKERSON: Did you point out that to Governor Burgum whenever you had breakfast with him this morning?
SUNUNU: Completely. Look, Doug is an unbelievable governor, I feel he’ll be an excellent candidate, and he is hitting the bottom operating with- with all of the issues that you just want to- to achieve success, and- and plenty of the opposite candidates are- are sort of turning their machines on and- and beginning to hit the bottom, so we’ll see the place all of it goes. However I feel Doug’s a- an excellent governor and he is gonna- he is gonna- gonna be a spark to observe this fall.
JOHN DICKERSON: One other individual you met with this week received into the race, former Vice President Mike Pence. This is the factor that puzzles me, he’s by each measure of the outdated type of politics, an excellent quaint conservative, and but the polling constantly reveals that he- though- although protesters that- they are- are- the- the- those that attacked the Capitol on January 6, known as for his hanging, he appears to have paid a political value for that greater than the one who led to the circumstances that had them name for his hanging, which is to say his former boss. What does that say concerning the nature of issues?
SUNUNU: Nicely, look, all- all of the candidates are slightly bit totally different. However I feel you have got three candidates in an analogous place. All nice folks, nice candidates. Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, former Vice President Pence, these are all people that had been on the Trump staff, proper, and now they’re sort of off the staff and- they usually’re all operating in opposition to him. So that they every simply should make their circumstances, they know learn how to run a floor recreation. They know learn how to speak to people with a- a way of authenticity about what it’s and what has modified between then and now, however every of these candidates are in, I feel, an analogous place, must make their case as to why they- they not just- or have earned the job, however what is going on to spark and what is going on to spark about past 5, 6, 7 % within the polls to get folks excited this fall.
JOHN DICKERSON: All proper, Governor Chris Sununu, thanks a lot for being right here. We’ll be speaking to you once more for certain. Respect it. And we’ll be proper again.